Springfield, IL. (ECWd) –
HB 3222, Synopsis As Introduced:
“Amends the Criminal Code of 2012. Provides that any person who, prior to the effective date of the amendatory Act, lawfully possessed an assault weapon shall register the assault weapon with the Illinois State Police within 90 days after the effective date of the amendatory Act and any person who acquired an assault weapon on or after the effective date of the amendatory Act shall register the assault weapon with the Illinois State Police within 90 days after he or she purchased or was given the weapon. Provides that the registration shall contain a description of the assault weapon that identifies it uniquely, including all identification marks, the full name, address, date of birth, and thumbprint of the owner, and any other information that the Director of the Illinois State Police deems appropriate. Provides that the Illinois State Police may charge a fee for registration not to exceed the reasonable processing costs of the Illinois State Police. Provides that the fees shall be deposited into the State Police Firearm Services Fund. Provides that a violation of these provisions is a Class A misdemeanor. Defines various terms.”
The definition is quite extensive and includes rifles, and some handguns and shotguns.
Slightly SightfulPosted at 20:08h, 23 March
Come and take it.
AlexPosted at 20:31h, 23 March
bbbPosted at 22:57h, 24 March
Go to Texas,FlA,or MO where they try to uphold The Constitution somewhat.1)Courtcase from years ago,?vs.govt. Or whatever-Chicago I believe involving this issue.Legal search it.Right to bear arms no infringement said the court.This gunstuff is key to cabal plan which dates to the ’60’s.Theyve implemented most of it already.See,Henrymakow.com=plethora of jaedropping info.Do not take the bait of divide and conquer.Do not enfage in violence.Do not tell others to wear useless cultmadk.Learn and use the law.Use free and lowcost legal resources.Boycott msm,techovetlords,bigbox-unionspying by fbi co.s,boycott the pedopervs and their media or co.s.Everyone who wants a Shred of basic human rights needs to overwhelm these puppets with emails,postcards,leaflets,calls,silent protests,lawyers,classactions,etc.Fund their patriot competition or Become their patriot competition.They love chinamarxist oppression,they should move there.Find out whos funding these a.holes and boycott or pressure them.
J BrowningPosted at 20:34h, 23 March
Also trying to add 1 percent tax on ammo for some kind of crisis fund for Illinois schools. The stupidity is rampant in this state
AlexPosted at 20:35h, 23 March
Actually, “them.” 🙂
DavePosted at 21:19h, 23 March
The power to tax is the power to destroy — this was quoted in the U.S. Supreme Court case McCulloch v. Maryland, 17 U.S. 327 (1819). Daniel Webster, in arguing the case, said: “An unlimited power to tax involves, necessarily, a power to destroy,”
U.S. Supreme Court in Murdock v. Pennsylvania, 319 US 105 overturned a state license tax as unconstitutional:
“It could hardly be denied that a tax laid specifically on the exercise of those freedoms would be unconstitutional. Yet the license tax imposed by this ordinance is, in substance, just that.
It is a license tax — a flat tax imposed on the exercise of a privilege granted by the Bill of Rights.
A state may not impose a charge for the enjoyment of a right granted by the Federal Constitution.”
Make no mistake, the democrats are working to destroy our 2nd amendment right by taxing us to death. The infringement of illegal taxes on guns and ammo, the outrageous cost to conceal carry, the illegal FOID card. . They have already taken away the constitutionally protected right for poor people to keep & bear arms. Poor people have rights too!
This proposed bill violates our 4th amendment rights too. That Chitcago democrat needs to read and study the US & Illinois constitutions. The very constitutions she was suppose to swear an oath to uphold. The Chicago democrats are trying to take our constitutionally protected right an inch at a time!
The Second Amendment and Art. I, Sec. 8, clauses 15 & 16, US Constitution, work together. They both provide for the “Militia of the several States”. When gun grabbers take over a State govt, that State can’t defeat the Right of a People [who comprise the Militia] to keep and bear arms with draconian state gun control laws. The state govt cannot destroy the ability of ALL its citizens to keep & bear arms. Yes, the state govt can prevent gun ownership for those who were found guilty of gun crimes, like armed robbery and murder.
Hitler registered guns too…. I saw a movie where only the police and military had guns, it was a movie called “Schindler’s List”
HTPosted at 22:27h, 23 March
America’s last line of defense. The first line of defense is basically dead now.
Can’t wait to move to Florida in a couple of months!!
T. JeffersonPosted at 23:06h, 23 March
Under Dem control, and under the radical influences it has empowered, this state and the entire U.S. is rocketing toward a totalitarian society and government. What better way to control the populace than to force registration of firearms as a pretext for “common-sense gun laws” when it is nothing more than a precursor to firearm confiscation and the punishing taxes they are preposing on firearms and ammunition. Radical groups, empowered by radical politicians, are doing their best to eliminate our Representative Republic and our Constitution under the guise of “fair democracy” where the majority rule but there is no input, representation, or checks and balances on behalf of the remaining 49% of the population. That’s why they are trying to create statehood for D.C. and Puerto Rico, both predominantly Democrat. If that’s accomplished, there will be four more Dem Senate seats/votes. There is no pretense that there is a strong desire and attempt to accomplish this. If the true radicals are allowed to succeed, and people do not come to their senses and demand a return to civility, rational discussion, and the U.S. remain a representative government, everyone will eventually suffer. If those in control don’t like you, what you say, what you think, what you read, where you work, who you associate with, etc., they will enact laws that will cancel you, your freedom of speech, your business, and your livelihood. If those in governance are questioned, or disagreement is voiced, they’re apt to try to classify your words as “hate speech,” the pretext for enacting “hate speech” laws. It’s already happening. Say something they don’t like, that’s OK, they’ll simply classify you as a radical, place you on a domestic terror list, or otherwise “Red Flag” you, and there go your Constitutional freedoms including your Second Amendment rights. Of course, when any political party has total control of the White House, and all of Congress or the Governor’s Office and all of the state legislature, the politicians can enact any legislation that a naive, emotion-based, and ideological populace is willing to allow. And, if you believe it’s no big deal, this is simply partisan politics, and it’s allowed to continue – what will happen when the shoe is on the other foot. What if the Repubs are in control and decide to do the same? Is that really what we want in America? Stand up for the entire Constitution and the Representative Republic. It’s what makes this country the best place on earth. As they say, without the Second Amendment, you have no First Amendment or any other Constitutional rights.
NMWTLSPosted at 23:57h, 23 March
..”and any other information that the Director of the Illinois State Police deems appropriate.”
As if the rest of it isn’t bad enough, this kind of open-ended edict is scary. One person gets to decide what “other” information you may be required to provide?
janniePosted at 08:00h, 24 March
ok, I’m assuming those who oppose this legislation also don’t register their automobile, drive an uninsured car and don’t have a drivers license.
Personally I don’t equate assault guns the same as hunting rifles– my father, brother & family were all people who went hunting for deer, raccoon (?), etc. Who uses an assault gun for that –
DavePosted at 08:39h, 24 March
Is owning and driving an automobile a constitutionally protected right, which states this right shall not be infringed?
JamesPosted at 14:54h, 24 March
Wouldn’t registering a gun count as “well-regulated?”
HTPosted at 13:40h, 28 March
Wouldn’t registering your thoughts with the state or applying for permission from the government to say something before you say it be also well-regulated?
Where would you lefties stop at wanting to dictate and register everything and every thought?
Or does it only apply to those ideas you don’t approve?
You leftists and your psycho-babble is unAmerican and you’d be much happier living in China or Cuba. Those places rule their subjects exactly as you’d do that to real Americans here.
NMWTLSPosted at 09:42h, 25 March
Yes Dave, all of those things and so many more should be our rights – travel, pursuit of happiness, and so on. But, as soon as a permit, license, certification, authorization, etc is required, a RIGHT becomes a PRIVILEGE. Privileges are granted….. We should have fought back a long time ago and fought back a lot harder about all of our rights that have been turned into privileges.
HTPosted at 13:17h, 24 March
Most of the time, if one is ignorant about a topic, it’s best not to loudly state how ignorant one is by using words for which one doesn’t the meaning.
Convenient to use the term “assault” that was coined by anti-2A leftists, and simply leave the interpretation of what “assault” means to these commies, is a usual tactic. What is an “assault” weapon to a lefty? One that shoots bullets? Or those that law abiding Americans own?
Using highly impactful words to emotionally affect those that are fragile is the only rationale the left has.
Maybe you should expand your worldview, if you’re able, and take a look at what “no-gun” countries report as their violent crimes. Just take the UK, where they proudly claim they have the lowest gun deaths, and your lot cheers on. Care to see their statistics for murders with knives, machetes, and metal pipes? Also, these non-gun crimes occur often in broad daylight and in public places. Check out their stabbings and slashings in public places that the American mainstream media ignore. And just to rub some salt in that statistic, guess which demographic is more likely to commit those non-gun and “assault-less” crimes? Yup, the normally expected violent demographic that would commit murders regardless of the weapons. Lesson, criminals will find their tools for their trade.
Still in the UK, verify for yourself of their newly and recent bans on knives and sales of knives.
Then, check out Japan. Guess who still commit most of the murders with knives, swords, and yes, even guns? That’s your homework for this month. Try that and you’ll squeeze one more tiny bit of fact into your enlightened brain.
Lastly, please provide proof that legal 2A Americans commit murders using their means of protection. Here’s a clue, weekly statistics in Englewood and Chatham in Chicago, Compton in LA, Bronx in NYC, and places such as Baltimore, St Louis, and Atlanta don’t count. Know why? Those are not 2A citizens, since they can get their weapons outside the laws.
Maybe McCarthy wasn’t way off when he wanted to identify where commies thrived within the American government.
QuestionPosted at 07:52h, 25 March
Yes, England has machete and pipe murders. When was the last time that somebody with a blunt object managed to kill 70 people from 400 yards away?
HTPosted at 14:41h, 25 March
Still deflecting the statistics. Methods don’t make criminals.
What’s worse, gun deaths or being hacked to death? Or how about being mauled down by a semi-truck while in an outdoor market?
And why do these mass shooters choose locations that are known to be 2A-free? Because that’s the easiest target. Do you really think such cowards would dare go into a place where the owners have a 2A sign out front?
Please provide statistics that legal 2A Americans just buy guns to kill people.
Of all the strict laws already on the books, along w/ how many lettered agencies claiming to be watching criminals, why aren’t anything enforced? So the answer is more and stricter laws? Sure, real critical thinking there.
AxManPosted at 08:07h, 26 March
I would much rather face off against a guy with a machete than a guy with an assault weapon. I might not be the fastest, but I would never outrun a rifle shot. Fun fact, a man in China attacked a kindergarten with a knife or sharp weapon and wounded a dozen or so children. In America, he would have killed 2 dozen (in fact one did.)
HTPosted at 13:19h, 26 March
to Question and AXMAN.
That’s funny Axman. You may have seen too many martial arts movies. In real life, you ain’t going to have the nerve to do any such thing that you’re so brave to say here. How about a machete maniac on PCP? Your awesome hands or a 9mm?
Folks who own guns for protection are the most responsible, alert, and calm people, especially in violent situations. It’s because we’ve been trained and we know why we need guns, and we know the consequences of life. It’s not a movie that your celebrities make about guns.
If you think it’s easier to face a machete maniac, you can practice what you preach in many Middle Eastern countries, or Honduras, Belize, Haiti. or Zaire. Those places don’t have to worry about gun violence. Bullets are simply too expensive there. But swords and machetes are cheap. Learn to do your own research.
Heck, just early last year, about 2pm in the afternoon in Paris, a religion-of-peace practitioner hacked a few unsuspecting people before a police officer got him, get this, with a gun! Quel horreur!!
Good luck sensing or hearing those machete sounds, like in movies. Wooshhh, Wooshhh!!
Funny you also mentioned China. Yeah, that humanitarian utopia doesn’t have due process that us backwards Americans have, so that criminal would likely have a chance at life here, whereas in China, he joined his ancestors the same day he committed the crime.
Thanks for the comedy.
PKPosted at 16:06h, 25 March
Yah, people who willfully break laws would not oppose this bill. The list of guns is exhaustive. I also noted that the bill discourages an owner from destroying the gun, as the owner would still have to register the gun six months later in order to be compliant with the law. Frankly, that seems kinda stupid.
MagsPosted at 08:06h, 24 March
It is not only stupidity but greed. This will not stand much longer. Illinois will continue to see more and more leaving this out of control State.
RogerPosted at 09:23h, 24 March
She neglected to include the requirement for “preferred pronouns” in her registration legislation.
Golden CountryPosted at 14:21h, 24 March
Jannie depending on how old you are your grand parents or great grandparents did not register their car, have a drivers license, did not have a foid card nor even a fishing or a hunting license
But now all these activities are taxed and controlled by the state now dont you feel so much safer today knowing these registrations are in place
Gun control does not work if you think it does i would be happy to pay cab fare for your to drive to Englewood south of chicago and you can enjoy a nice evening stroll thru its gun free streets
PKPosted at 10:57h, 25 March
gun control policy aims = oxymoron + person – politician(s)
Dennis FineganPosted at 19:30h, 24 March
Almost 20 people killed by shooters this past week and all you are concerned about are a few dollars for registration of assault weapons? I think your priorities are backward. I don’t want your guns, but I do want my wife to be safe when she goes to the grocery store. If it costs you a few bucks, fine by me. Nothing is free people. If I want to fly an r/c plane, it costs $25 to register with the Forest Preserve. Drive a car? $151 a year for passenger plates. Get off your high horses and look at the carnage guns have caused. Do your part to stop these senseless murders.
PKPosted at 10:41h, 25 March
Oh, hey…before you and your wife gallop off into the sunset, a couple of answers are missing.
The lifetime dollar amount you’ve already spent to obtain and keep your FOID cards is? Has IL fixed its FOID card processing problems yet? And the dollar amount for the gun safety training class you took to have first gained a FOID card was? And finally, who determines what the “reasonable” registration fee amount is going to be now with this silly-willy bill…the farmer or the fox?
HTPosted at 14:49h, 25 March
Care to learn how many are shot on an average weekend in Chicago, NYC, Philadelphia, Baltimore, LA, and in all of the cities with the strictest gun laws?
Of course not, because you’re not allowed by your politics to look at reality and think for yourself.
Who gives you or anyone the right or knowledge to say what the “right” fee is? Fine by you because you don’t value the virtue of America. Your feeling of a little safety because some politician tells you so is irrational.
Anita SweaterPosted at 03:23h, 25 March
Stick it you commies!
Golden CountryPosted at 13:58h, 25 March
Dennis can you guarantee that this law will with any degree of certainty prevent any firearm deaths. I can save you the time and say it wont.
Its just gun control advocates taking advantage of another tragedy to push their agenda. Shame on them
No disrespect but if your wife is that fearful of shopping in public she should really see a therapist. Crime rates are the lowest in a generation and her fears are self conceived. She can always lock herself in your house and order thru Amazon but then you have to worry about all the packages and who touched them.
RORY STEIDLPosted at 15:09h, 25 March
Those who disagree may say this is the same old pro-gun/anti-gun control argument. They would be right because this argument is based upon facts – not emotion. NMWTLS, Dave, HT…and most of the posters have hit it on the head. I was a police officer for thirty-two years – started in Paris, worked Danville PD for almost seven years, and ISP for twenty-five. I’m not much different and no better than most police officers who have any amount of tenure and experience. I worked in small towns and villages and in bigger towns such as Danville, Champaign/Urbana, and a short stint in Cook County and the Chicago Expressways. I worked in middle-class and low-income neighborhoods, public housing projects, in low-crime and high-crime areas. I worked with local, county, state, and federal agencies & officers. My Dad raised me around guns, taught me gun safety, responsibility, and accountability, and then he taught me to shoot and to hunt. I’ve been a hunter, competitive shooter, a gun-owner, and a member of the National Rifle Association all of my adult life. That said, I don’t subscribe to edicts – I form my own opinions and make my own decisions based upon facts and experience I’ve pulled from both my personal life and professional career. Most of the people I know own guns – and most are NOT police officers. Not all of them hunt but most of them – along with their wives, adult sons & daughters – own handguns for self-protection while a smaller number own sporting semi-auto rifles. Sporting semi-auto rifles ARE used for hunting. In Illinois, they’re used for hunting coyotes, fox, groundhog, crows, etc. In other states, they’re used for hunting deer and other big game, as well as wild pigs. Many people use them for target practice, competition, or simply “plinking.” A good portion of those who own them also keeps one handy for self-protection. It’s interesting but sad and concerning, that they and their “assault weapons” – the definition of which has now been expanded to include semi-auto handguns – are considered a “threat” by the anti-gun/emotion-based confiscation zealots. It’s even more interesting that none of these fine Americans with whom I’ve been acquainted have ever shot anyone – with malice – with their lawfully possessed firearms. I saw a lot of crap over thirty years – a lot of violent crimes committed by hand, knife, club, gun, and more. I’m at a loss to recall any that were committed by the type of law-abiding individuals described above. On the contrary, these crimes were committed by individuals who everyone knew had no business possessing a firearm. They were convicted felons, other criminals, or persons who had a history of mental illness or being emotionally disturbed. Regarding the post referencing the ISP Director’s determination as to what is appropriate, remember this: The ISP Director is a Cabinet position. He/She serves at the will of the Governor. When the Governor talks, the Director listens. To that extent, the ISP Director serves the literal WILL of the Governor. That’s a fact. The IL Black Caucus – and its U.S. Congressional equivalent – want more lenient statutory standards reducing the thresholds for what constitutes various classes of felonies. They want to reduce mandatory sentencing maximums. They are even removing long-standing statutory language that allows police officers to use force to effect an arrest by a criminal who resists that arrest. Why? They believe these laws disproportionately affect (punish) people of color. Wow! Why would that be? Has anyone bothered to ask? What group of people are they alleging is committing these crimes – people of color? That’s how we ended up with the “no cash bail” law – by their own admission. I concede that there is always some acceptable level of reform needed to ensure fairness, and there was some work that needed to be done on bail reform. Granted, we must always look at how we’re doing things. However, we can’t ignore the facts and change the narrative – or the rules/laws – to accommodate the offenders. Chicago has had at least 620 shootings and over 115 murders this year. Who talks about that? Gang-related violence is consistently and intentionally branded as “gun violence” so as to distract Americans and redirect the conversation away from the obvious problem…crimes being committed by offenders of all color that are mentally ill & emotionally disturbed, by convicted felons out on early release or no bail, other criminals, and by gangs – most of which are comprised of black or other minority gang-bangers. Those facts are reported by local media but largely ignored by national media because it begs the question of where are these shooting crimes being committed and by whom? Well, the answer is: The majority are occurring in predominantly black neighborhoods, and being committed predominantly by black offenders. That’s a problem that many don’t want to discuss for fear of unfairly being labeled “racist.” Pro-active policing is now labeled “racist” because – guess what? – police focus on neighborhoods where gangs rule the streets and shootings are rampant. While the politicians talk, the good people in these neighborhoods are suffering…and dying. As bad a reputation that Fair Oaks or Carver Park housing projects had in Danville, IL, there were still good, law-abiding people who lived in those housing projects but they largely remained unheard and unseen. Why? Understandably, because they didn’t want to become the literal target for the next shooting. No problem ever went away by ignoring it, and we all owe these citizens beset by violence the same protection – and the right to protect themselves – as we, our families, and our friends are accustomed to. Living in a crime-infested neighborhood does not eliminate one’s Second Amendment and God-given right to defend themselves, their families, and their property from predators.
The catalyst for the latest conversation is the Boulder shooting. So what? We already know that the Boulder shooter is – at the minimum – severely emotionally disturbed. He has at least one prior arrest and documented incident of violent physical attack, and has been described as having a “short fuse” and “prone to sudden and intense rage.” Does that sound like someone who should own a gun? NO. I fully agree that no one with that documented history of rage and violence should own or have access to a firearm. Why is the topic of preventing mentally ill people and people with documented violent behavior like the Boulder shooter not the focus of the national conversation & proposed legislation instead of hammering away at the type of weapon he used and every single law-abiding American who owns such a firearm? Once again, a broad brush is being used to attempt to facilitate the ban of an entire type of firearm, force people to register, then surrender those firearms & magazines. There’s also a proposed penalty tax on such firearms and ALL ammunition. What does that accomplish? If a ban cannot be accomplished, the government would be happy to benefit from the revenue source derived by taxing them. A rational and factual review & discussion of the evidence doesn’t fit the spew, the rampant narrative put forth by the political hacks, the gun hater’s, and the misinformed. Utilize…ENFORCE existing laws, call it what it is – no matter who commits the crimes – and put forth real solutions, no matter who is offended by the conversation. Taking guns away from or instantly transforming mentally and emotionally stable, law-abiding citizens into criminals will accomplish nothing, People simply need to settle down, do their own homework, look at the facts, and look at who is committing the crimes – no matter the offender’s color, race, ethnicity, or mental state. Quit listening to the same old gun control narrative. RCS
HTPosted at 12:54h, 26 March
Did you say “think” somewhere in your post? Well, you’re talking to a bunch of emo horses’ behinds on this gun control issue. These people don’t think. The emote, feel, sense, and absorb only those gems that sooth their sensibilities. It’s not just guns. Nowadays, it’s mask, race, words, and even food.
It’s always race related when they want to appeal to the emo’s. Has anyone ever do a simple observation that, say, a place such as Englewood, has how many within its population that are committing just about all of the crimes? All those crimes all involved guns that could be bought outside of the control system that the leftists love so much. The majority of folks in Englewood are defenseless against a violent minority. Just imagine if the good law abiding Englewood residents are encouraged to have guns for their own protection. That’s not a wild idea, just simple reality math. But wow, wouldn’t that be a kick in the leftist rears? A racial minority group that is able to fend for itself is NOT how lefties keep their public jobs.
GregPosted at 08:55h, 27 March
To a liberal any rifle is an “Assault” rifle.
I’m glad these democrats have taken care of the Black on Black gang gun problem in Chicago! How many murdered there last year?
HTPosted at 14:08h, 28 March
How liberals take care of their real gun criminals is by simply instructing their media teleprompter readers to ignore all such incidents.
Here are some very recent black criminal incidents that the media conveniently left out of their anti-2A rants:
– 4 Police Officers Shot in Gun-Controlled Chicago Over the Last Two Weeks, all on the South Side.
– Virginia Beach Mass Shootings last week identified as, yes, black criminals.
– Uber Driver Murdered by Two Teen Girls in Broad Daylight in D.C., and they were using a stun gun! Clue, “teen” always means what we already know what color it is that liberals ignore. CNN called it an accident.
– The psycho rabid muslim in Colorado didn’t use a rifle, or “assault” weapon, and he killed ALL white folks.
– Mass shooting in Philadelphia on 3/27, and the shooters were all “teens”, and of course, nothing about how they got their guns.
Unless the shooter is white or asian, the media has no gun violence story to tell us. We’ll just have to decipher what “teens” means.
The sooner America divorces itself from these rabid leftist commies, the sooner she can be saved.
GregPosted at 07:02h, 29 March
When street gangs are involved the pitiful media tells us they are “Groups”
Governor “Fatass” injects himself into the Atlanta and Boulder shootings but refuses to acknowledge the black on black killing in Chicago and other towns of Illinois!
HTPosted at 18:31h, 29 March
Yeah, “groups” and “teens” are all they’d say. Even with the astronomical rise in carjackings in Gold Coast & Lincoln Park, their claim is that some “groups” are organizing these crimes, and they’ve finally created, check this, a “task force” just to combat these crimes. All other dems cities are the same.
When a shooter is either White or Asian, the media will detail for us what that person has had for lunch that day, and attach every woke stereotypes to that person’s supposed mental state. While mass shootings from their favorite minorities and rampant gangs w/ clearly illegal guns and minors will render the media mute.
Keep up w/ the real news by going local, or w/ the recent plethora of independent news sources where there are just facts about events, and there aren’t any colorful commentaries from some idiots with male face make-up.